[event loop] Why should a handler not do any registrations on its own event loop?

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[event loop] Why should a handler not do any registrations on its own event loop?

Postby profeldoo » Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:54 am

It says here:
https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp ... ing-itself
In general, an event handler run by an event loop is not allowed to do any registering/unregistering activity on that event loop.
Why is that, or, why could it be a problem? I have skimmed the handler registration code and do not see any obvious reasons. So far, it works.

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Re: [event loop] Why should a handler not do any registrations on its own event loop?

Postby profeldoo » Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:54 am

I got my answer from ChatGPT. My conclusion: if you do not do crazy stuff like "triggering another event within registration itself" to put the event loop into an infinite loop, you can do it and nothing will go wrong. If anyone is interested, here is the answer (3 pics).
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Re: [event loop] Why should a handler not do any registrations on its own event loop?

Postby MicroController » Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:23 pm

Yeah.
But the actual reason is that there can be multiple listeners for the same event; hence, the event handler task manages lists of listeners. To dispatch an event, it iterates over the list of corresponding event handlers and calls one after the other. If one event handler adds or removes another event handler, i.e. modifies the list while it is being iterated over, 'undefined' behaviour can occur; specifically, depending on the positions of handlers in the list, a handler that was just removed may or may not be executed afterwards for the current event, an event handler that was just added may or may not be executed for the current event.

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Re: [event loop] Why should a handler not do any registrations on its own event loop?

Postby profeldoo » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:00 pm

Thanks, good point.
So, a 'strong form' of the rule stated in the docs:
Do not register/unregister other handlers inside the handler itself.
would be:
Inside the handler, do not register/unregister other handlers to/from the event that just fired. You are allowed to register/unregister handlers to/from any other event.
Because then you are not modifying the list of handlers currently being looped over.

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Re: [event loop] Why should a handler not do any registrations on its own event loop?

Postby MicroController » Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:24 pm

Yes, I think technically that'd be accurate - as of now.
But I'd be hesitant to state this in API documentation too, because it is very much dependent on the specifics of how the event handling task is implemented (i.e. internally using only one list for all handlers vs. one list per event type); and these specifics may well change at some point, breaking compatibility with code that relies on this behaviour.
So as a user, I'd go with what's documented to be able to update to later IDFs in the future without having to worry so much about checking for new bugs introduced through my reliance on undocumented features in previous versions.

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