SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Slinisa
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SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby Slinisa » Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:54 am

I've created dual SPI @16MHz, connected it's output to the controller itself, pins declared as inputs. I've connected SCK and MOSI to oscilloscope and the signal looks awful. I haven't tried to receive SPI message yet, but it's hardly going to work if it looks that bad.
The connection wires are within 20cm, I've also tried terminating it with a resistor and it sill looks awful. I've also tried to decrease the frequency to 4 MHz, and it sill doesn't look too good. Also tried with pull-ups and pull-downs, open drain ... to no avail.
Does anyone have any suggestion how to improve it?

Edit: also tried putting a capacitor in parallel (100 pF and 10 nF, I have nothing in between at home yet). 100pF doesn't do much, and 10nF almost kills the signal. Also tried leaving SPI pins floating and it looks just as bad.
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Slinisa
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Re: SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby Slinisa » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:42 am

OK, I've shortened the length of wires by half and now it looks better. Still far from perfect, but I guess it will be fine when all components are on one PCB.
If anybody have any suggestions on still improving the signal, it would be much appreciated.

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Re: SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby MicroController » Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am

Not a solution to your main problem, but to reduce the ringing you can try lowering the drive strength of the IO pins.

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Re: SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby Slinisa » Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:21 pm

How can I do that?

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Re: SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby Slinisa » Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:42 pm

It's ok, found it, gpio_set_drive_capability. It helped a bit.

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Re: SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby mbratch » Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:20 pm

OK, I've shortened the length of wires by half and now it looks better. Still far from perfect, but I guess it will be fine when all components are on one PCB.
For sure. Shortening distance, especially having the signals be on traces on a single PCB, and reducing frequency, if possible, will mitigate the issue. Does the application require that you run SPI at 16MHz?

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Re: SPI signal @16MHz looks terrible

Postby Slinisa » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:31 pm

I was hoping for 40Mhz, so yes, 16MHz is a bare minimum.

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