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Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:36 pm**

Recently Electrodragon started selling IPS6404L-SQ-SPN (priced only 0.8 US$ !), a SPIRAM (psRAM) chip (8MB) with characteristics similar to Espressif's ESP-PSRAM32 (Data sheet).

As this is a 3.3V device, it can be used with ESP-WROOM-32 and all boards using 3.3V Flash.

I've tested the chip on Adafruit HUZZAH32 – ESP32 Feather Board which has ESP-WROOM-32 module with rev1 ESP32.

I removed the ESP-WROOM-32 shield, replaced the Flash with Winbond's 3.3V 16 MB Flash, and connected the IPS6404L-SQ-SPN and 10K pull-up to GPIO16.

The SPIRAM was recognized (as well as 16MB Flash).
I've tested the SPIRAM functionality extensively for more than 24 hours and there were no problems.
Tested with Flash (in QIO mode) & SPIRAM running at 40MHZ and 80MHz.

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I (30) boot: ESP-IDF v3.1-dev-726-gbae9709a 2nd stage bootloader
I (30) boot: compile time 14:25:43
I (40) boot: Enabling RNG early entropy source...
I (41) qio_mode: Enabling QIO for flash chip WinBond
I (41) boot: SPI Speed      : 80MHz
I (45) boot: SPI Mode       : QIO
I (49) boot: SPI Flash Size : 16MB
I (54) boot: Partition Table:
I (57) boot: ## Label            Usage          Type ST Offset   Length
I (64) boot:  0 nvs              WiFi data        01 02 00009000 00006000
I (72) boot:  1 phy_init         RF data          01 01 0000f000 00001000
I (79) boot:  2 MicroPython      factory app      00 00 00010000 001e0000
I (87) boot:  3 internalfs       Unknown data     01 81 001f0000 00e10000
I (94) boot: End of partition table
I (99) esp_image: segment 0: paddr=0x00010020 vaddr=0x3f400020 size=0x6d674 (448116) map
I (226) esp_image: segment 1: paddr=0x0007d69c vaddr=0x3ffb0000 size=0x02974 ( 10612) load
I (229) esp_image: segment 2: paddr=0x00080018 vaddr=0x400d0018 size=0x14c178 (1360248) map
0x400d0018: _flash_cache_start at ??:?

I (592) esp_image: segment 3: paddr=0x001cc198 vaddr=0x3ffb2974 size=0x02eb0 ( 11952) load
I (596) esp_image: segment 4: paddr=0x001cf050 vaddr=0x40080000 size=0x00400 (  1024) load
0x40080000: _WindowOverflow4 at /home/LoBo2_Razno/ESP32/MicroPython/MicroPython_ESP32_psRAM_LoBo/Tools/esp-idf/components/freertos/./xtensa_vectors.S:1685

I (599) esp_image: segment 5: paddr=0x001cf458 vaddr=0x40080400 size=0x1b69c (112284) load
I (645) esp_image: segment 6: paddr=0x001eaafc vaddr=0x400c0000 size=0x00714 (  1812) load
I (646) esp_image: segment 7: paddr=0x001eb218 vaddr=0x50000000 size=0x00984 (  2436) load
I (669) boot: Loaded app from partition at offset 0x10000
I (670) boot: Disabling RNG early entropy source...
I (671) spiram: SPI RAM mode: flash 80m sram 80m
I (675) spiram: PSRAM initialized, cache is in low/high (2-core) mode.
I (682) cpu_start: Pro cpu up.
I (686) cpu_start: Starting app cpu, entry point is 0x4008163c
0x4008163c: call_start_cpu1 at /home/LoBo2_Razno/ESP32/MicroPython/MicroPython_ESP32_psRAM_LoBo/Tools/esp-idf/components/esp32/./cpu_start.c:225

I (0) cpu_start: App cpu up.
I (1186) spiram: SPI SRAM memory test OK
I (1186) heap_init: Initializing. RAM available for dynamic allocation:
D (1187) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffae6e0
I (1192) heap_init: At 3FFAE6E0 len 00001920 (6 KiB): DRAM
D (1198) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffbd5c0
I (1203) heap_init: At 3FFBD5C0 len 00022A40 (138 KiB): DRAM
I (1209) heap_init: At 3FFE0440 len 00003BC0 (14 KiB): D/IRAM
I (1216) heap_init: At 3FFE4350 len 0001BCB0 (111 KiB): D/IRAM
D (1222) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x4009ba9c
I (1228) heap_init: At 4009BA9C len 00004564 (17 KiB): IRAM
I (1234) cpu_start: Pro cpu start user code
I (1239) spiram: Adding pool of 4096K of external SPI memory to heap allocator
D (1254) clk: RTC_SLOW_CLK calibration value: 3029248
I (145) cpu_start: Starting scheduler on PRO CPU.
I (0) cpu_start: Starting scheduler on APP CPU.
D (146) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffe0440
D (151) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffe4350

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The chip's capacity is 8MB (64Mb), but I'm not shure if ESP32 and esp-idf supports 8 MB external SPIRAM.

The ESP32 data sheet and ESP32 Technical Reference Manual asserts it is supported:

Up to 8 MB of external flash/SRAM memory are mapped onto the CPU data space, supporting 8-bit, 16-bit
and 32-bit access. Data-read is supported on the flash and SRAM. Data-write is supported on the SRAM.

The ESP32 can access external SPI flash and SPI SRAM as external memory. Table 5 provides a list of external
memories that can be accessed by either CPU at a range of addresses on the data and instruction buses. When
a CPU accesses external memory through the Cache and MMU, the cache will map the CPU’s address to an
external physical memory address (in the external memory’s address space), according to the MMU settings. Due
to this address mapping, the ESP32 can address up to 16 MB External Flash and 8 MB External SRAM.

but in the related figures and tables the external SPIRAM mapping is only to the address range 0x3F80_0000 - 0x3FBF_FFFF (4 MB)

Could someone from Espressif team give some explanation ?

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:10 pm**

Nice. I think it is possible to give each cpu access to separate external 4MB memory regions so 8 total, but they access it through same address space. Mmu/cache handles the mapping.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:35 am**

FWIW, WiFive is correct (as usual). You could either give both CPUs different address spaces, or do something like bank switching using the MMU. Unfortunately, ESP-IDF doesn't support either option out-of-the-box, though.

Posted: **Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:32 pm**

@loboris Just to confirm, but opening up the WROOM shield and swapping out the flash -> 16MB, was not necessary if we only want to add the SPIRAM? i.e. it can just be placed next to the WROOM module on a PCB, and connected to the WROOM flash pins?

Posted: **Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:10 pm**

p-rimes wrote:@loboris Just to confirm, but opening up the WROOM shield and swapping out the flash -> 16MB, was not necessary if we only want to add the SPIRAM? i.e. it can just be placed next to the WROOM module on a PCB, and connected to the WROOM flash pins?

Of course, I just wanted to increase the Flash size too.

Posted: **Wed May 09, 2018 6:59 pm**

Anyone tested it on esp32-pico-d4 yet?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:42 pm**

Idea of this has come up because of WROOM 32 D modules with 16MB flash in limited quantity being available.

We have a design with WROOM 32 with 16MB external flash which uses the same pins as internal flash except GPIO 27 for CS. Wondering about replacing the external flash with 3.3V PSRAM but keeping compatibility to use external 16MB flash on the same layout in case of ongoing supply limitations as extra flash is more important than extra RAM, but both would be nice given the minimal extra cost.

Pullup on CS is because PSRAM wants it to be high for 150us after power on. It looks like Winbond flash is happy with CS with pull up if this was fitted instead of PSRAM.

Questions:

1. Are CS and CLK for PSRAM still fixed to GPIO 16 and 17? We already use these as a second serial port so I might be able to move it.
2. If CLK was used from GPIO 17, but flash was fitted instead, would it cause any problems operating the flash at full 80MHz QIO speed? I am thinking that without the PSRAM, the deliberate extra loopback delay through GPIO 20 for PSRAM timing would not be present and it should work OK. https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf/bl ... am_psram.c

Posted: **Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:33 pm**

loboris wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:36 pm
Recently Electrodragon started selling IPS6404L-SQ-SPN (priced only 0.8 US$ !), a SPIRAM (psRAM) chip (8MB) with characteristics similar to Espressif's ESP-PSRAM32 (Data sheet).

As this is a 3.3V device, it can be used with ESP-WROOM-32 and all boards using 3.3V Flash.

I've tested the chip on Adafruit HUZZAH32 – ESP32 Feather Board which has ESP-WROOM-32 module with rev1 ESP32.

I removed the ESP-WROOM-32 shield, replaced the Flash with Winbond's 3.3V 16 MB Flash, and connected the IPS6404L-SQ-SPN and 10K pull-up to GPIO16.

The SPIRAM was recognized (as well as 16MB Flash).
I've tested the SPIRAM functionality extensively for more than 24 hours and there were no problems.
Tested with Flash (in QIO mode) & SPIRAM running at 40MHZ and 80MHz.
Code: Select all
I (30) boot: ESP-IDF v3.1-dev-726-gbae9709a 2nd stage bootloader
I (30) boot: compile time 14:25:43
I (40) boot: Enabling RNG early entropy source...
I (41) qio_mode: Enabling QIO for flash chip WinBond
I (41) boot: SPI Speed      : 80MHz
I (45) boot: SPI Mode       : QIO
I (49) boot: SPI Flash Size : 16MB
I (54) boot: Partition Table:
I (57) boot: ## Label            Usage          Type ST Offset   Length
I (64) boot:  0 nvs              WiFi data        01 02 00009000 00006000
I (72) boot:  1 phy_init         RF data          01 01 0000f000 00001000
I (79) boot:  2 MicroPython      factory app      00 00 00010000 001e0000
I (87) boot:  3 internalfs       Unknown data     01 81 001f0000 00e10000
I (94) boot: End of partition table
I (99) esp_image: segment 0: paddr=0x00010020 vaddr=0x3f400020 size=0x6d674 (448116) map
I (226) esp_image: segment 1: paddr=0x0007d69c vaddr=0x3ffb0000 size=0x02974 ( 10612) load
I (229) esp_image: segment 2: paddr=0x00080018 vaddr=0x400d0018 size=0x14c178 (1360248) map
0x400d0018: _flash_cache_start at ??:?

I (592) esp_image: segment 3: paddr=0x001cc198 vaddr=0x3ffb2974 size=0x02eb0 ( 11952) load
I (596) esp_image: segment 4: paddr=0x001cf050 vaddr=0x40080000 size=0x00400 (  1024) load
0x40080000: _WindowOverflow4 at /home/LoBo2_Razno/ESP32/MicroPython/MicroPython_ESP32_psRAM_LoBo/Tools/esp-idf/components/freertos/./xtensa_vectors.S:1685

I (599) esp_image: segment 5: paddr=0x001cf458 vaddr=0x40080400 size=0x1b69c (112284) load
I (645) esp_image: segment 6: paddr=0x001eaafc vaddr=0x400c0000 size=0x00714 (  1812) load
I (646) esp_image: segment 7: paddr=0x001eb218 vaddr=0x50000000 size=0x00984 (  2436) load
I (669) boot: Loaded app from partition at offset 0x10000
I (670) boot: Disabling RNG early entropy source...
I (671) spiram: SPI RAM mode: flash 80m sram 80m
I (675) spiram: PSRAM initialized, cache is in low/high (2-core) mode.
I (682) cpu_start: Pro cpu up.
I (686) cpu_start: Starting app cpu, entry point is 0x4008163c
0x4008163c: call_start_cpu1 at /home/LoBo2_Razno/ESP32/MicroPython/MicroPython_ESP32_psRAM_LoBo/Tools/esp-idf/components/esp32/./cpu_start.c:225

I (0) cpu_start: App cpu up.
I (1186) spiram: SPI SRAM memory test OK
I (1186) heap_init: Initializing. RAM available for dynamic allocation:
D (1187) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffae6e0
I (1192) heap_init: At 3FFAE6E0 len 00001920 (6 KiB): DRAM
D (1198) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffbd5c0
I (1203) heap_init: At 3FFBD5C0 len 00022A40 (138 KiB): DRAM
I (1209) heap_init: At 3FFE0440 len 00003BC0 (14 KiB): D/IRAM
I (1216) heap_init: At 3FFE4350 len 0001BCB0 (111 KiB): D/IRAM
D (1222) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x4009ba9c
I (1228) heap_init: At 4009BA9C len 00004564 (17 KiB): IRAM
I (1234) cpu_start: Pro cpu start user code
I (1239) spiram: Adding pool of 4096K of external SPI memory to heap allocator
D (1254) clk: RTC_SLOW_CLK calibration value: 3029248
I (145) cpu_start: Starting scheduler on PRO CPU.
I (0) cpu_start: Starting scheduler on APP CPU.
D (146) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffe0440
D (151) heap_init: New heap initialised at 0x3ffe4350
********************

The chip's capacity is 8MB (64Mb), but I'm not shure if ESP32 and esp-idf supports 8 MB external SPIRAM.

The ESP32 data sheet and ESP32 Technical Reference Manual asserts it is supported:
Up to 8 MB of external flash/SRAM memory are mapped onto the CPU data space, supporting 8-bit, 16-bit
and 32-bit access. Data-read is supported on the flash and SRAM. Data-write is supported on the SRAM.

The ESP32 can access external SPI flash and SPI SRAM as external memory. Table 5 provides a list of external
memories that can be accessed by either CPU at a range of addresses on the data and instruction buses. When
a CPU accesses external memory through the Cache and MMU, the cache will map the CPU’s address to an
external physical memory address (in the external memory’s address space), according to the MMU settings. Due
to this address mapping, the ESP32 can address up to 16 MB External Flash and 8 MB External SRAM.
but in the related figures and tables the external SPIRAM mapping is only to the address range 0x3F80_0000 - 0x3FBF_FFFF (4 MB)

Could someone from Espressif team give some explanation ?

ESP32 does support 8MiB PSRAM chip, but not entirely transparent. If you check ESP-IDF himem API docs, you'll find out that ESP32 does map the external RAM up to 4MiB (out of 8MiB), and you can access that half using regular malloc. But if you want to access the other half of 4MiB, you need bankswitching mechanism provided by himem API (hence its name: Higher-address memory).

You cannot use regular malloc, but instead esp_himem_alloc() and regular free().

Hope this helps!

Posted: **Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:20 am**

can you please share the code example to use the PSRAM. I have ESP32 Wroover having inbuild 8MB of PSRAM. my code almost consume all the RAM available internally, I dont know how to use PSRAM using code, neither getting sufficient examples for it.

Thanks in advance.

Posted: **Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:28 am**

What SDK? ESP-IDF has an option for this in menuconfig: Component config → ESP32-specific -> Support for external, SPI-connected RAM

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