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What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:01 pm
by rezarethink
According to the datasheet, the smaller 5x5 QFN (ESP32-D2WD) part the output impedance is 35+j10 which is different than the larger 6x6 package. What matching components would be recommended that part vs the old part (which has a different output impedance)?

Also, I noticed that there are no matching components on the sparkfun esp32 board but it works fine. Why is that?

Thanks,
Reza

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:17 pm
by Franco
Hi Reza, in the Sparkfun esp-32-thing schematic, I can see the matching circuit. https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/learn_t ... ematic.pdf
As far as the ESP32-D0WD you can use this circuit.
ESP32-D0WD.png
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Let us know.

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:35 pm
by Lucas.Hutchinson
You should use a PI matching network (like that shown in the post above).

However please bare in mind that you will probably have to tune this network by altering the values of the conductors and capacitors depending on your circuit layout and antenna choice.

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:22 pm
by rezarethink
Although the sparkfun schematic might have those components in it, they only populate a small cap on the PCB, which is strange. Also, the sparkfun uses the 6x6 package and we use the 5x5 which has a different rated output impedance. There are references for the components used to match the 6x6 but nothing for the 5x5.

My main question is - what's a good starting point for matching components for the 5x5mm package?

-thanks in advance-

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:31 am
by Franco
Hi Reza, the schematic I had posted before was from an early version of ESP-WROOM-32U. The datasheet http://espressif.com/sites/default/file ... eet_en.pdf has just been published and you can check the final schematic on page 15
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I hope this helps.

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:46 am
by WiFive
So wroom32 is switching from tapped capacitor matching to pi matching?

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:55 am
by Franco
I checked the ESP-WROOM-32 (with PCB antenna) and the schematics on page 17 shows a similar Pi matching circuit.

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:12 pm
by WiFive
WROOM-32 has tapped capacitor matching circuit, so does WROVER.

WROOM-32D/U has pi circuit.

Interested to know reasons and effects.

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:22 pm
by Franco
On this document it is stated "feature optimized antenna and RF performance" https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 1742822400

Re: What matching components should be used for the 5x5 QFN package?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:05 pm
by WiFive
That is interesting so will there be an update to wrover modules too?