ESP32-P4: Internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller

danielm
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ESP32-P4: Internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller

Postby danielm » Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:27 pm

What are pros/cons of using internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller (e.g. W5500) in case of ESP32-P4?
Obvious difference is in pin count needed on ESP32-P4. Price difference of external PHY (~ 1 USD) and external controller with PHY (~2 USD) is not significant for most of the applications. What about other aspects? RAM usage, CPU utilisation, etc.?

ESP_ondrej
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Re: ESP32-P4: Internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller

Postby ESP_ondrej » Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:10 am

The SPI Ethernet is much slower. You can achieve more than 90 mbps for Tx/Rx UDP with internal EMAC. With SPI Ethernet is around 17 mbps.

danielm
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Re: ESP32-P4: Internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller

Postby danielm » Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:58 am

Thanks for your reply, good to know. Anyway for applications where Ethernet is used for MQTT telemetry and occasional firmware download reduced throughput is not an issue. Do you see any other disadvantage of SPI-based controller approach?

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Re: ESP32-P4: Internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller

Postby DrMickeyLauer » Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:15 pm

I've used the W5500 in some projects. It's a stable workhorse, but it requires quite some support circuitry and it lacks MDI-X.

danielm
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Re: ESP32-P4: Internal Ethernet MAC vs external SPI Ethernet controller

Postby danielm » Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:52 pm

Could you please elaborate more on support circuitry? It basically needs crystal oscillator circuit and several capacitors. Similar components are required for IP101GRI PHY which is used with internal EMAC of the P4 evalboard. Am I missing something?

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